Brad Fitzpatrick ([info]bradfitz) wrote in [info]news,
@ 2003-12-11 10:31:00
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Change of Plans: no invite codes, no trial accounts
After our big announcement yesterday, we've been reading a bunch of great comments. (Thanks!)

A lot of people don't like the idea of Trial Accounts, and we've been talking about them the past two days and don't really like them ourselves anymore. Once we went to implement them we found that the wording used to describe them throughout the site would've been impossible, and people would confuse permanent free accounts with permanent accounts, and so on.

Plus, all the points about it not being in the spirit of the site, arguments about isolated users without online friends, proliferation of account types... all true.

So, new plan!

We're just going to ditch invite codes altogether. Free users will be able to join without an invite code, and without a 30 day expiration. For the users who value their invite code collection, we'll let you redeem them for paid time, either for yourself or friends. (the exact exchange rate hasn't yet been decided, but we'll try and be generous).

For the users concerned with username namespace pollution, we'll start discussions in [info]lj_biz on policy for deleting inactive accounts after so much time. It'd probably be based on multiple criteria with multiple time periods. Also, we might limit number of accounts per email address to something really high, to hinder username collectors. Please, let's not discuss this here... wait for the lj_biz thread to pop up.

For the users wanting LiveJournal to remain exclusive, please realize that was never our goal. We want everybody to enjoy the site, which is in the spirit of everybody enjoying Open Source software. If you want your personal account to remain exclusive, there are settings you can use to accomplish that, and we'll be making even more functionality to let you control what happens inside your account. But in general, the more people using the site, the more fun it is for everybody else.

Again, the goal for all this to happen is tomorrow. We're all busting our butts today working on it. Hopefully this version 2 plan will make even more people happy...... :-)

Update: See these two posts in [info]lj_biz about deleting inactive accounts and spammers/trolls and Karma/"Whoofie". Please reply in those threads about those issues, to focus discussion.



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[info]renaissancekat
2003-12-11 10:51 am UTC (link)
Yippee!

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[info]melaniesuzanne
2003-12-11 10:52 am UTC (link)
It's all good. Thanks for the great work!

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[info]legomymalfoy
2003-12-11 10:52 am UTC (link)
Thanks for the update :) *eyes invite codes* Paid time would be great, thanks.

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[info]joyitude
2003-12-11 10:58 am UTC (link)
Now I'm regretting my recent "give away invite codes like the dickens" run. Ah well.

I agree with Jen.

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[info]levainqueur
2003-12-11 10:53 am UTC (link)
yahoooooooooo

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[info]swimelmo86
2003-12-11 10:53 am UTC (link)
you guys are just full of awesome ideas!

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[info]samsgoldfinch
2003-12-11 11:32 am UTC (link)
just full, becky!

hehe, guess who's got all the invite codes... ;)

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[info]carmen
2003-12-11 10:54 am UTC (link)
yay for getting rid of invite codes... i'm glad lj finally has the resources to do it!

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[info]yankees133
2003-12-11 10:54 am UTC (link)
I like the idea of exchanging the codes for extra paid time... keep up the good work.

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[info]fullofsecrets
2003-12-11 12:31 pm UTC (link)
I agree! Thanks very much for the codes-for-paid-time idea.

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(no subject) - [info]tydestra, 2003-12-11 05:33 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]tiny_nomad
2003-12-11 10:54 am UTC (link)
Paid time for invite codes? I think that's a fair compromise. Kudos!

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[info]alem
2003-12-11 10:54 am UTC (link)
This seems like a better plan, much more simple and straight forward.

Thanks for the hard work.

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[info]dixiethorn
2003-12-11 10:54 am UTC (link)
That's a great plan! It's the Holiday's so don't bust your butt's too much! ;) Thanks for this great site! I think it's wonderful! The best place to be when addicted to the Internet!

Just wanted to let you guys know that!

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[info]sarahthesleuth
2003-12-11 10:54 am UTC (link)
For the users who value their invite code collection, we'll let you redeem them for paid time, either for yourself or friends. (the exact exchange rate hasn't yet been decided, but we'll try and be generous).

Now that's an idea I can get behind. Thanks so much, Brad! Hope this makes everyone happier. :)

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[info]rahalia_cat
2003-12-11 10:55 am UTC (link)
We're just going to ditch invite codes altogether. Free users will be able to join without an invite code, and without a 30 day expiration. For the users who value their invite code collection, we'll let you redeem them for paid time, either for yourself or friends. (the exact exchange rate hasn't yet been decided, but we'll try and be generous).

Most of my invite codes are from this account, which is permanent. Is it possible to specify which account the paid time goes to, in the same way that a paid-time gift can be made, or leftover paid time is transferred when buying a permanent account? I have several other accounts for various parts of my life, and some of them have payment renewal due soon.

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[info]rahalia_cat
2003-12-11 10:57 am UTC (link)
*facepalm*

Uh, just ignore that.

/me should read the damn text I've quoted before posting.

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[info]canuhearmenow
2003-12-11 10:55 am UTC (link)
When will we be able to exchange the invite codes for paid time for other users?

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[info]m00c0w
2003-12-11 11:49 am UTC (link)
For the users who value their invite code collection, we'll let you redeem them for paid time, either for yourself or friends.

:)

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[info]hdofu
2003-12-11 10:55 am UTC (link)
This Rocks!

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[info]aphelant
2003-12-11 10:55 am UTC (link)
Paid time or extra icons would be great! (maybe the icons could be like...5 permanent, instead of 30 for a year)

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[info]fw_blinky
2003-12-12 12:05 am UTC (link)
ooohhhhhh... let us choose paid time or icons!!! woot!

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[info]etherlad
2003-12-11 10:55 am UTC (link)
I'm all for the invite code / paid time exchange. I've got four or five codes left, and my paid time expires in three days. (:

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[info]salmonrunning
2003-12-11 10:55 am UTC (link)
Sounds great, Brad!

It's gonna be a lot of work to keep out the spammers, but it's worth it if even more people find out about LJ.

*thinks about LiveJournal LOTR ad + no codes*

Yea, this should be a pretty busy month for LJ... =)

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[info]nerdgirl
2003-12-11 10:41 pm UTC (link)
What Lotr ad?

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[info]cleanbc
2003-12-11 10:55 am UTC (link)
yay! i have lots of invite codes to exchange... *rubs hands together*

what about maybe exchange invite codes for extra icons or something like that?
just a suggestion

thanks for working so hard

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[info]athene
2003-12-12 04:44 am UTC (link)
i second that! invite codes for more icons! or maybe invite codes for credit that can be applied however one wishes.

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[info]mynameismaryjo
2003-12-11 10:56 am UTC (link)
I dig it :)

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[info]anqi
2003-12-11 10:56 am UTC (link)
very cool. :) Can't wait to see what I get for my invite codes. :D

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[info]meallanmouse
2003-12-11 10:56 am UTC (link)
The invite codes being redeemable for free paid time thing?

Very cool of you.

:: beams ::

Thank you! :D

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[info]jentopia
2003-12-11 10:56 am UTC (link)
sounds like a plan ;D

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[info]avisderara
2003-12-11 10:56 am UTC (link)
For the users wanting LiveJournal to remain exclusive, please realize that was never our goal.

*wants to be exclusive*
i see that our goals don't mesh too well ;o)

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[info]fishy5
2003-12-11 03:38 pm UTC (link)
I guess it's a good thing you're not running a buisness then.

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[info]fallen_x_ashes
2003-12-11 10:56 am UTC (link)
Still, I think the invite code system fostered an importent sense of community.

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[info]vvalkyri
2003-12-11 11:01 am UTC (link)
Yeah. I liked that one either had to be committed enough to pay to use the account or know someone who might nag you to use it...

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[info]runningdark
2003-12-11 10:56 am UTC (link)
sounds cool. good to know my user codes will be worth something too.

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